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Awakening the Evangelical Church to Domestic Violence and Abuse in its Midst

Wise as Serpents: If the Word You are Hearing Does not Set You Free, it is not the Word of God (Part 25 of Sermon Series)

UPDATE  Sept 2021:  Barbara Roberts has come to believe that Jeff Crippen does not practise what he preaches.  He vilely persecuted an abuse victim and spiritually abused many other people in the Tillamook congregation. Go here to read the evidence. Jeff has not gone to the people that he spiritually and emotionally abused. He has not apologised to them, let alone asked for their forgiveness.


God’s truth brings believers into freedom.

So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed him, “If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” (John 8:31-32)

Evil distorts, perverts, twists and morphs the Word of God into a wicked counterfeit which traumatizes people and brings them into bondage. Evil loves to quote God’s Word but always does so with the method and intent of using it to deceive and enslave.

We are surrounded by phoney religion today, just as was the case in Jesus’ day when the religious establishment in Israel was corrupt. The temple was not the Temple, but had become a den of robbers. The righteous were put out of the temple while the wicked not only remained members in good standing but were preeminent in it — exalted with trumpets. When the Lamb of God came to that “church” He was rejected, scorned, and ultimately executed.

And so it is today. We see it constantly. The very same dynamics being wickedly carried out in the name of “christianity.” The thing is disgusting. The Lord sees it all.

Jesus Christ taught with authority: exposing, challenging and correcting the wrong teachings of the hypocritical religionists. He confronted the scripture twisters who loved to quote God’s Word with the intent of using it to deceive and enslave. And He graciously taught the folk who were held under bondage by the scripture twisters. To these folk, His teaching was refreshing, reviving, freeing, and life-giving!

And they were all amazed, so that they questioned among themselves, saying, “What is this? A new teaching with authority! He commands even the unclean spirits, and they obey him.” (Mark 1:27)

These were Jews who had grown up on the teaching of the corrupt church. What they had been hearing, and what they had thought was the word of God, wasn’t. And when the true word of God came to them, they were amazed.

Today, in the face of the evil and false teaching in the ‘c’hurch, we must not spurn the true church. You may find yourself at the point of saying, “If this is what it is, it’s all bogus! I’m outa here!” It’s not all bogus. Christ is real. His church is real. And his true people are real. And we might despair sometimes as to whether we can really find Christ’s people, but that isn’t anything new. Elijah thought he was the only one left, but he wasn’t. Christ always has His true remnant, His true Bride. Always. And even in Bible times and on through the history of the church, many times you had to go into underground caves and caverns to find the true church, outside the walls, meeting in secret. Christ always retains and preserves His true bride.

We must never allow the wicked who parade as righteous eminent “saints” to cause us to distrust the Bible, God’s Word.

Oh yes, they are constantly quoting Scripture to justify themselves and to condemn Jesus’ true flock; but like the devil in the wilderness tempting Christ, their use of Scripture is perverted and twisted, turning it into a devilish tool by ripping texts out of context and through other diabolical methods.

God’s Word is truth. Truth that sets us free. Truth and light that exposes evil no matter how dark that evil is. God’s Word is food for the soul and living water for our thirst. It is life-giving. Even when it brings a person under heavy conviction for actual sin, its goal is LIFE by leading the sinner to repentance and salvation.

If what is being taught to you in your church, or even what you are understanding in your own mind, is not setting your soul free, if it is burdening you with a heavy yoke, if it is demanding that you remain in oppression, if it is insisting that you keep silent about evil, then it is not the religion of Christ. It is not the word of God no matter how many christian trappings are hanging on it.

Psalm 19 describes the nature and the effect of the Word of God:

The law of the LORD is perfect, reviving the soul;
the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple;
the precepts of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart;
the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes;
the fear of the LORD is clean, enduring forever;
the rules of the LORD are true, and righteous altogether.
More to be desired are they than gold, even much fine gold;
sweeter also than honey and drippings of the honeycomb.
Moreover, by them is your servant warned;
in keeping them there is great reward. (Psalm 19:7-11)

In many churches, people’s souls are not being revived. The simple are not being made wise; they continue to be duped by evil. Their religion is not resulting in rejoicing of the heart and enlightenment of the eyes. And if you asked them, “Tell me, really, honestly, do you find the Word of God sweeter than honey to you?” would they answer Yes?  If the majority of christians today took Psalm 19 and applied it to the so-called christianity they’ve had laid onto them, they would realise, “I have  been duped! What has been laid on me is not Christ Jesus at all! It’s a counterfeit.”

Let me say it again –

If the religion that you are being taught, the Bible that you are being instructed in, the understanding that you have of God’s Word, is not leading you to wholeness, to life, to freedom, to joy and peace, then that religion is not of Christ, it is not faithful to His Word, and you are being robbed of the freedom Christ has promised to all who follow Him in truth. Because His truth sets us free.

Counterfeit christianity can look like a party. It can even make you (for a little while) feel good. But in the end it leaves you empty or worse than empty. It leaves you starving and thirsty and joyless. How healthy would you be if you ate straw? Counterfeit christianity leaves people miserable (except for the power and control merchants who are happy with counterfeit christianity because it gives them added tools by which to control others).

Let the prophet who has a dream tell the dream, but let him who has my word speak my word faithfully. What has straw in common with wheat? declares the LORD. Is not my word like fire, declares the LORD, and like a hammer that breaks the rock in pieces?  (Jeremiah 23:28-29)

Sometimes the enemy  chooses to oppose and murder Christians and try to wipe out the church that way. But the enemy is cunning, he’s learned lessons over the history of the church, and it’s a lot more effective to create a counterfeit Christianity that is feeding people straw rather than the wheat of God’s word. And the people are famishing. In most supposed christian churches, what is being taught is the dreams of men. Dreams of men, that are called the word of God.

The law of the LORD is perfect, reviving the soul;

the dreams of men are pathetic, they suck the life out of the soul

the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple;

the dreams of the wicked are opposed to wisdom, and make the fool even more foolish

the precepts of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart;

the dreams of the wicked steal the joy from a person’s heart
they don’t enlighten the eyes, they make the darkness even darker
they are not sweeter than honeycomb, they are bitter.

I often speak to Christians who grew up in the church and who have suffered long term domestic abuse. I ask them this question: “In the twenty or thirty or forty years that you were in oppression, how did you find the teaching of the church? Did you find it sweeter than honeycomb? Was that your experience?” They reply, “I tried to tell myself to rejoice in it. I knew I was supposed to regard the teaching of the word as sweet, but I’ve got to admit, it was bitter to my soul.”  … It was bitter because it wasn’t the word of God!

Here are the words of a Christian lady who learned after more than 20 years of oppression and bondage that the ‘Christian doctrine’ and the ‘bible teachings’ she was taught in her local church were not the Word of God at all. This lady said this on our post about how ‘GratefulBride’ had patronisingly preached to abuse victims by telling them that their misery was due to them not having chosen a husband wisely.

I have been out of a 2+ decade marriage for more than 10 years and remarks like GratefulBride’s still can trigger me so much. I still have problems with giving myself credit for leaving a marriage that ultimately gave me a breakdown. How can I still be so lacking in strength so many years later? (Because of how subtle and powerful the minute daily abuses were, piled up day after day, year after year.) Many of us, with no broken bones or blackened eyes, have nothing to prove the abuse to those who were our friends in church and Christian groups.

I, like many, was so controlled by what I heard from my husband (who claimed to be a Christian), the pulpit, the Sunday School classes, the women’s meetings, the books, the seminars, etc. that I STILL have problems feeling justified in making the hard decision to walk away from it finally.

I wonder if I’ll ever recover from the damage that was done.

Some Christians are very dedicated and zealous to follow God. They take the attitude, “I really want to do what God wants of me! I want to go to every church service. I’m going to take notes during the sermons. I’m going to examine my heart and my life by what is being preached. I’m going to buy the books and go to the seminars and the Sunday school classes and the bible study groups!”  — But if all those things are teaching erroneous doctrine, biased and distorted by the dreams of men, what will the result be?  The best Christians are going to be in the worst shape. Fed on straw. And the enemy knows it.

Remember this: The word of God revives your soul. It makes you wise regarding wickedness. It causes a rejoicing of your heart, it enlightens your eyes, and it’s sweeter than honey. And if that is not your experience of your Christianity something is wrong.

The lady goes on:

I long for the clearheadedness to stop questioning my past valiant attempts at submissiveness. I long for the time when I stop trying to justify my ex’s actions in my head. I long for people to finally “get it” and tell me that they are sorry for how I’ve been treated and effectively shunned. (That will never happen.)

I want to be strong, but I think that by staying so long the damage is so deep that I won’t recover. (I constantly pray that this is not the case.)

It’s bad enough to have suffered the church abuse while we were in abusive marriages and after we made hard decisions to leave, but to suffer the abuse from women is so sad.

The Word of God does not do this to people! God Himself repeatedly says so in the Scriptures. Yes, the Sword of the Spirit brings us into conviction, sometimes very painful conviction when we stray, conviction that provokes us to wake up and realise “I’m in a pigpen here! I have to go back to my Father!”  The pain of conviction is for the wonderful purpose of bringing us to repentance and life –

As it is, I rejoice, not because you were grieved, but because you were grieved into repenting. For you felt a godly grief, so that you suffered no loss through us. For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief produces death. (2 Cor 7:9-10)

See it? The grief or sorrow that false religion brings does not lead to true repentance and life and joy, but to bondage and death. And that is exactly what this lady is describing that happened to her, right within the walls of her ‘church’ –

I, like many, was so controlled by what I heard from my husband, the pulpit, the Sunday School classes, the women’s meetings, the books, the seminars, etc. that I still have problems feeling justified in making the hard decision to walk away from it finally.

I can tell you without any doubt that she is not exaggerating. What is being preached and taught and written about in books and Christian education literature is very, very commonly not the Word of God. It opposes freedom. It enslaves. It really is the law. “Do this and live.” It parades as God’s Word, citing chapter and verse, but it has twisted His Word –

O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? (Gal 3:1-3)

An Illustration

I took a photo last week of the kennel we keep our dogs in when we are gone.

The Crippen's dog kennel

Inside the kennel there is food, water, cushy beds, heat lamps when it is cold; it is out of the weather, with a view. As I closed the latch on the gate, the thought came to my mind that this fence (kennel) is either like God’s Word, or it is a prison.

Like the Word of God, this kennel provides firm boundaries. Why? Because we want our pets to be safe. We don’t want them taking an unauthorized excursion to the river or out on the road or through neighbor’s yards. Those are dangerous areas for them. They could get hit by a car, poisoned, shot, or they might do damage to a neighbor’s property in some way. The kennel’s locked gate is good. The motivation for it is good. Therefore, it is not a prison. Furthermore, they know that the gate is going to be opened before long. It is a place of refuge, the place where they get their food. And so when we say “kennel” to them, they go right in.

Jesus spoke about a kind of kennel (a sheep pen) here:

“Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. All who came before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture. The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly. I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. (John 10:7-11)

BUT, if the motivation of the “gatekeeper” is evil, the fence does indeed become a prison, and its occupants become prisoners. Same kind of fence perhaps. But now it is evil because the gatekeeper is not a true shepherd, but a thief and a robber come only to oppress and use the sheep.

In the case of dogs, you might compare the evil gatekeeper to the owner of a puppy mill that only exists to make money with no regard to the health and welfare of the animals. Their kennel is not a life-giving refuge of safety. It is a prison.

And so it is with the Word of God. When the Lord speaks, His Word comes to give life, to effect justice, to speak truth that sets people free. Like the kennel we maintain, His Word sets very firm boundaries, but all motivated by His love for us. God’s Word always speaks life and justice. It sets His people free. And it rightly condemns and exposes the wicked.

Not so when the wicked pervert and twist the Word.

They make much of you, but for no good purpose. They want to shut you out [from Christ; and from Paul the Apostle] that you may make much of them. (Gal 4:17)

They want you to admire them. They want your admiration because it elevates them.

It is those who want to make a good showing in the flesh who would force you to be circumcised, and only in order that they may not be persecuted for the cross of Christ. For even those who are circumcised do not themselves keep the law, but they desire to have you circumcised that they may boast in your flesh. (Gal 6:12-13)

They desire…. they are motivated by that desire…and their motivation is evil.

If with Christ you died to the elemental spirits of the world, why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to regulations—”Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch” (referring to things that all perish as they are used)—according to human precepts and teachings? These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body, but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh. (Col 2:20-23)

No value! Straw. Straw with clutches of snake’s eggs in it. False religion always distorts and perverts God’s Word. And you can KNOW this perversion is happening by carefully considering the end to which it is leading. Joy and freedom? Or oppression and bondage? Judgement and condemnation? Or justification and full acceptance?

There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. (Rom 8:1-2)

Who then is the gatekeeper of your religion? Christ the Good Shepherd? Or the prince of darkness parading as a servant of righteousness? Many foolish Galatians today are in bondage to wicked ones who come in, claim to be servants of Christ, but who want to bring the people back under the law for their own glory and self-conceit.

Examples of twisting scripture to imprison the flock

Let me give you some true examples of Scripture being perverted in order to keep people in bondage. These kinds of things happen very commonly in churches. In fact we can say they are typical, widespread traditions that have usurped God’s truth –

I had Matthew 5:25-26 misquoted at me by a teacher I once deeply respected, in order to convince me not to cooperate with the police against a young man, the son of a popular church leader, who sexually assaulted my daughter on multiple occasions while she was sleeping. When I challenged him that, “The scripture didn’t apply to cases like ours,” he responded, “Jesus didn’t qualify it.” He did admit though, that in the hypothetical case of his own granddaughter being raped and murdered, he would not be expected to settle with his adversary before going to court. I told him his arrogance and ignorance were dangerous. I haven’t spoken to him since.

Here is the Scripture that was twisted:

Come to terms quickly with your accuser while you are going with him to court, lest your accuser hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the guard, and you be put in prison. Truly, I say to you, you will never get out until you have paid the last penny. (Mat 5:25-26)

Consider what kind of bondage that twisting of Scripture will do. It prohibits justice. It enables evil and hides it. It tells the oppressed that God does not want them to be free of such evil but requires them to be “friends” with the oppressor. It is not the Word of God.

Here’s another example:

I complained in sabbath school that the speaker was wrongly equating anger with idolatry. I said that as image-bearers of God we have a right to respect, and that anger is an appropriate response to being disrespected. I said that anger in response to disrespect is different from anger when people don’t treat us like royalty, which is a form of idolatry.

The speaker then quoted “the anger of man does not accomplish the righteousness of God” (James 1:20) as a prooftext that anger was wrong.

The very widespread lie that ‘all anger is sin’ is produced by the wicked who warp the Word of God to their own evil ends. The Spirit of God moves true Christians to righteous anger, moves them to seek justice like the persistent widow knocking at the door of the judge who neither feared God nor respected man (Luke 18:2). The lie that ‘all anger is sin’ pressures believers to admit a false guilt in themselves for allegedly sinning by being angry. It shames those who persistently knock at the judge’s door; it lays guilt on them for disturbing the judge’s comfort zone. Several evil people parading as Christians whom I have known over the years loved to misuse James 1:20 to lay guilt on true Christians who were responding with righteous anger to injustice and false teaching. It is a terrible bondage to be prohibited from expressing the very emotions God Himself expresses.

Here is another true account of how the evil misuse of Scripture (which evil constantly practices) causes great bondage and harm to the afflicted:

During my childhood and adolescence, my father misquoted scriptures when teaching me how to be a “good” wife. He said it means being completely submissive and compliant to whatever requests he asked of me, and that if I did not obey I would suffer the consequences by getting punished.

These verses included the ones that say a woman is to submit to her husband and a daughter is to honor her father. My father would say this any time I attempted to defend myself, even when I pointed out that abuse was a sin in the bible. And when I asked for help from others, my father said that a woman was not to gossip or to slander her own family.

This was along with being lectured about lying or exaggerating just how badly my dad treated me, even though I was telling the truth the whole time.

When I described what I went through to other well-meaning but misguided Christians, I was asked how bad the abuse was and was told that being physically abused every once in a great while and being emotionally abused for months on weekdays during the school year didn’t qualify as severe enough abuse for anyone to assist me. After all, it wasn’t like I was physically or sexually abused, there were people who went through much worse trauma than I did.

I was furthermore scolded by being quoted scriptures about waiting on the Lord for Him to come and save me and to rejoice at the persecution I suffered through, because my reward would be great in heaven. I was commanded to not complain about my trivial problems. I was told the same scriptures my dad told me, along with “Oh but you love your father and your father loves you, he’s just doing what’s best for you, you won’t understand until you are older. A wife is supposed to submit to her husband, your father is just teaching you how to be a good future wife. So stop being so stubbornly rebellious toward him, instead, honor your father like the bible says, by doing what he commands.”

I was also told that I wasn’t faithful enough because God hasn’t answered my prayers. I was told to pray harder, even though I was praying as hard and as fervently as I could for God to get me out of there. When I was told this, I felt guilty for bringing up the subject to ask for help and support in the first place, angry and hurt at being disbelieved, guilty for not being a “good enough Christian”, and humiliated at being quoted the same scriptures that my Dad used on me. I ended up feeling cynical that anyone but myself would get me out of the vicious cycle of abuse I found myself in.

Any time I talk about what I suffered from growing up to anyone now, I’m asked why I hold onto the past of my childhood so tightly and am told to let it go… as if I’m still not suffering from the cycle of abuse I’m in from working under my dad. It’s either that, or I’m completely ignored…

Wow! How MANY Scriptures were twisted and distorted to this young woman as she grew up. And people are still putting them on her today. You see that sometimes people don’t even cite a verse, but speak the same old lies that have become common currency so widely in the churches that they are accepted without any thought that they might be false.

One more example:

Honor your father and mother was a good one quoted often. As a teen, I knew my mother was being immoral with a man whom she’d met in the bar the night before. I told my mom how upset I was and how I felt disrespected. She responded by becoming threatening and snarky, telling me she was the adult and she paid the bills and it was her house and she could do anything she liked and didn’t answer to me.

So I took off to the home of some christians I was associating with at the time and told them what had happened and how I had been treated. They listened with completely straight, almost disapproving faces and then told me that my mom was not saved and that I had to go home and submit to my mother…

On another occasion, we had some weirdo she was dating ringing our doorbell for over an hour at two am because she dumped him and he wouldn’t take no for an answer. My christian friends quoted the scriptures about honoring our parents and about submission to authorities and shamed me as a gossip for telling them her personal business. This was pretty typical church fare if you told. I felt like a schmuck for telling on my mom and putting her in a bad light, but it seemed unfair that I had to live with this.

She was a very broken woman who had been molested since early childhood and then married my dad, who also was abused and became an abuser. She herself could be abusive. Teachers like Jay Adams say that no matter how horrible your family is, you aren’t allowed to disassociate from them because you are supposed to have kingdom priorities and be evangelizing them.  They seem to think that if you are saved, then there should be no problem with having the strength to endure their evil and stay in contact. Arrrggh!  Sometimes I hate christians and church and don’t want much more to do with it. I’m not going to go with that, but it’s a tempting feeling.  There’s just so much heavy guilt tripping that makes it seem selfish if you want to be happy and not have to live with misery all the time. How do you tell the difference between actually being guilty of this and not being guilty?

Do you see the bondage these people have suffered from? This is not what the Word of God effects. Hear it again:

Psalm 19
To the choirmaster. A Psalm of David.

The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork. Day to day pours out speech, and night to night reveals knowledge. There is no speech, nor are there words, whose voice is not heard. Their voice goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them he has set a tent for the sun, which comes out like a bridegroom leaving his chamber, and, like a strong man, runs its course with joy. Its rising is from the end of the heavens, and its circuit to the end of them, and there is nothing hidden from its heat.

The law of the LORD is perfect, reviving the soul; the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple; the precepts of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart; the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes; the fear of the LORD is clean, enduring forever; the rules of the LORD are true, and righteous altogether. More to be desired are they than gold, even much fine gold; sweeter also than honey and drippings of the honeycomb. Moreover, by them is your servant warned; in keeping them there is great reward. Who can discern his errors? Declare me innocent from hidden faults. Keep back your servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me! Then I shall be blameless, and innocent of great transgression. Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in your sight, O LORD, my rock and my redeemer.

There! That is the Word of the Lord. That is the Word of God made flesh and come among us, the Lord Jesus Christ. That is His truth that sets us free. Reject anything that does the opposite and rebuke the one who is twisting God’s truth into something that enslaves.


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  1. In Christ Alone

    I needed to hear this today. Thank you.

    I was recently told by a pastor in whom I confided my husband’s behaviors that I needed to own my small percentage of sin in the home, whatever that may be. I felt bad when I told him I wasn’t sure what that could be, because that must have made me sound rather arrogant. I didn’t mean that I don’t have sin – just that I don’t know what I could have done to provoke such behavior from my husband.

    At any rate, suffice to say I was told to stop psychoanalyzing my husband and pray that God reveal to me where I have sinned.

    I was told by this pastor that it all goes back to sin and forget about the worldly labels (that may actually apply to my husband and explain his words and behavior). Basically he said that my husband needs to deal with his sin and I mine. It was painting everything with the broad brush of sin so we can overlook the actual details of what happened.

    I was so sad and forlorn in the days that followed, thinking I have to stay in this marriage because of that piece of paper – and that the church honors the institution above the individuals. I realized that this church practices a merely academic (mis)understanding of Scripture above the very real details of life where the rubber meets the road.

    Once again this ministry at A Cry for Justice provides real healing and hope, and you are able to do so because you’re grounded in the living out of solid truth, applying balm where desperately needed.

    Thank you.

  2. In Christ Alone

    I needed to hear this today because the whole experience I’ve had with church leaders (and some if not most congregants) with respect to abuse in a marriage actually repels me from academic study of His Word. I used to love it, and yet SO MUCH of what I encounter among the academics is an outright lack of living it. Makes me distrustful, and I hate that too.

  3. Traddy

    Just want to give up, my life is ruined.

    • Dear Traddy,
      I hope you don’t give up.


    • Seeing the Light

      Traddy, I just want you to know I understand. My life is ruined, too. What’s worse, just when I think this situation has messed the kids up so bad, they get worse, too. Sometimes, I’d like to give up, but what would be the point in that? What would that even look like? So, I hang in there, hoping for a day, maybe many years down the road, where freedom and healing lie. I hope you hang in there, too.

  4. nessa3

    I’ve heard a lot of those scriptures twisted. When ever I’d question some authority in church, I’d get …God has chosen us to be leaders and we are held accountable for your souls, so if God has chosen us to be leaders then you are to obey as if unto God. I responded but your only human and you don’t hear perfectly all the time like Christ did his father…so your telling me you hear for me better than I can hear for me?

    I also struggled with the endure till the end to gain the prize…because we’ve seen it so many times …people give up just before God comes threw and they miss out on what God wanted to give them…I’m so freaking tired of the #@#….that keeps you on the tread mill like a rat after some piece of cheese …that you really never can reach!!

  5. Misti

    In the Reformed Presbyterian circles I’m from, a lack of joy and peace and freedom from the Word of God gets attributed to the hearer being rebellious and sinful. If you dare point out misused words, logical fallacies, or cherrypicked history, you’re also accused of rebellion and having a spirit of dissension and such, for they are the ones taught and trained and necessarily using words, logic, and history appropriately.

    Or at least that was my experience.

    So much is made of how the prodigal son came back to the fold and how his father welcomed him (See? your rebellious children will come back if you raised them right, per our definition of “right”!), while ignoring how the prodigal’s father let him go (and even gave him the means to go!) in the first place.

    I still chat to some folks in those circles, and it’s sad how many of them reply with crickets when I ask if they have any prayer requests, because they can’t in good conscience tell me due seriously believing I’m apostate or in rebellion or something.

    And they say I’m the proud one? :-/

    • MarkQ

      My experience, too. I think it’s Piper-esque – somehow to truly experience blessing, we must walk around with a scourge and constantly beat ourselves up. When we start asking “does God really want me to beat myself up?” people respond how God somehow blesses us. It’s completely confusing.

      I had a “good” conversation with my sister. She acknowledges that she has been abused by her church, but somehow thinks that continuing to subject herself to that abuse is of greater benefit to herself and God’s kingdom than finding a place where people really love God and each other.

      I hope you are able to continue healing from the chains you were under. Right now I am only able to lay out my anger before God. I was taught it was never acceptable to approach God in anger, so I have years and years of pent-up anger that I feel I need to work through before our relationship can be restored.

      • Misti

        (pats on back)

        Ephesians 4:26 says “In your anger, do not sin” not “Do not be angry.” Even Jesus was angry, and angry for a while (see John 2:15; making a whip of cords is slow).

        The issue is that we are not to live in / from that anger. (Look into the Greek of Ephesians 4:26; the “In your anger, do not sin” and “Let not the sun go down while you are still angry” are using two quite different words. The King James use of “wrath” in the latter situation is more in line with the Greek, per my own research.)

        Feeling and experiencing anger is not innately a sin, and that does not preclude you from approaching God. Job and multiple psalmists did. Psalm 44 even expresses outright anger against God (for example, v. 12).

        To get through and past the anger, I have found that I have to accept it. Accepting it does not mean clinging to it. It means acknowledging that I feel it —that I feel it for a reason —and letting myself feel it.

    • MarkQ

      I’m sure there are members of my old church that are just waiting for the shoe to drop on whatever sin I’m hiding that drove me away from the “one true church”, because people only leave when they can’t take the truth they preach, or are avoiding oversight by the faithful leadership.

  6. KayJay

    This is excellent, thanks!!

  7. Seeking truth

    I am on the verge of a divorce. My husband has been abusive for ten years. I’ve realized he will never understand the seriousness of his abuse and I have felt as though divorce is the only answer. He told me that Christ didn’t divorce us and that if I wanted to live like the gospel I would forgive like he’s forgiven me for my sins. It is so defeating because I want to be like Christ but if I get a divorce, as my husband says, I will not honor Christ.

    • Hi Seeking truth,
      Your husband is wrong when he says ‘Christ didn’t divorce us’.
      God does not accept into his kingdom those who do not have faith in him and repent of their sins.
      There are many who will be lost.
      The bride of Christ is the church: those who have come to saving faith in Jesus Christ. There are many who have not and will not come to saving faith.

      I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.”
      (John 10:28-30 ESV)

      This is speaking about those who have come to saving faith by the grace of God. It is speaking about those who are true members of the church — the bride of Christ. It is not speaking about all people.

      God does not forgive the unrepentant. Your abuser is unrepentant: this is ultra clear to me because he is attempting to spiritually abuse you by making you feel guilty for divorcing him. But the Bible gives you liberty to divorce him, and if you divorce him you will incur NO sin in doing so. The sin is your husband’s — he is the one who is the abuser, he is the one who is pridefully and wickedly trying to oppress and control you for his own selfish ends.

      I encourage you to read this post: The Bible DOES allow divorce for domestic abuse.

      • Seeking Truth

        Barbara, thank you for your response. I’m afraid I don’t completely understand. The way I feel he implies me not getting a divorce is that for repentant sinners, no matter how serious the offense, Christ forgives and doesn’t leave us. Therefore if we are to emulate our lives like Christ, how can I divorce him when Christ wouldn’t? I may be talking in circles. He has confused me greatly with spiritual teachings. I realize you’re saying he isn’t repentant, and that’s how I feel… but what if he is repentant? What if it becomes genuine, is divorce still allowed? The abuse I have incurred has been very damaging and while I know Christ has the power to heal, I don’t know how long I wait while I feel like I’m slowly wasting away.

      • Hi Seeking Truth,
        I am sure your husband is not repentant. If he were authentically repentant, you would not be feeling so confused, you would not be feeling like you are slowly wasting away. Authentic repentance is a very rare thing when it comes to domestic abusers. Someone who is abusing his spouse and has been doing so for years cannot be a true Christian. A true Christian would feel deep conviction of sin for the ways they were treating their spouse. Abusers don’t — if they feel any conviction at all for their sins, they fight against it, they suppress the truth in unrighteousness (as it says in Romans) and they sear their consciences by repeatedly and continually fighting against having to take full responsibility for their bad behavior. They evade. They lie. They make up dozens of excuses and ‘justification’ for themselves. They blame the victim when it is not the victims’ fault at all. They actively and covertly resist taking responsibility for their attitudes and conduct.

        You asked

        What if he is repentant? What if it becomes genuine, is divorce still allowed?

        Firstly, if he is authentically repentant he will be showing all the things set out in this Checklist for Repentance. Many abusers, probably most abusers, feign repentance. They feign repentance in order to try to convince their victim and the church that they are reforming and thus pressure the victim to stay with them, or come back to them. The church (sadly) buys into this charade and believes the abuser is changing; the church is way too naive about the mentality and tactics of abusers!

        So if your husband appears to be repenting, read the checklist and see if he is meeting all the criteria. I mean all. Don’t think he is repenting if he is only showing a few of those signs. Almost all abusers can fake repentance and put on better conduct for a while. That’s how they charm their new victims. But unless an abuser is genuinely converted to Christ (has come to saving faith by the power of God for only God can bringing a dead spirit to life), he will not truly change at the core heart level. All he will be able to do is change by his own efforts, and his own efforts will not generally be enough… he will get tired of making the effort and his basic selfishness and belief in his own entitlement to mistreat his partner will rise to the surface again. Change is very hard work, and the perks abusers derive from maintaining power and control over their victims are so rewarding (and are so little penalised by society and the church) that the abuser will not want to go the whole distance that change requires. As scripture says, the dog returns to his vomit.

        Here are several more posts which I think will help you understand these things more. I’ve put at the top of the list the ones which I think will help you most.

        Sin Destroys Relationships – And Sometimes the Destruction is Total

        Another reason why Christ’s covenant with the church is DIFFERENT from the covenant of marriage between a husband and wife.

        The Bible virtually commands divorce for domestic abuse

        Abusive Marriages Portray God’s Covenant With His People? – Really?

        Thursday Thought — A Sign of False Repentance

        How can I know if my abuser is changing?

        Scriptures That Demonstrate an Abuser is Not a Christian

        The Abuser as Esau – A Sobering and Freeing Truth for Victims

        Pretend repentance is worse than no repentance

        How to Recognize True (and false) Contrition — by Dr. George Simon, Jr.

        Contrition, repentance & forgiveness — some articles by Dr George Simon Jr.

        A Good Description of Real Repentance

        The Abuser’s Ploy of “Confessing” His Past Abuse

        God only did one counseling session with Cain

        Contriving a test to probe whether a hardened heart has repented

      • seeking Truth

        Thank you so much for this comment. I’ve glanced through some of this and it seems he isn’t truly repentant. He is now accusing me of being too prideful (because I’m standing firm in my convictions that he’s abusive). Your words are helping truth sink in versus his truth. He can’t seem to understand his abuse and rape and how it has so negatively damaged me. Your site is healing to my soul. This is a very lonely battle.

      • He can’t seem to understand his abuse and rape and how it has so negatively damaged me.

        I would suggest to you that he DOES understand. He just chooses to not take responsibility. And he chooses to fight against having to take responsibility. One of his tactics of fighting is to act like he doesn’t understand.

        Dr George Simon Jr, whose work we highly recommend, says:

        You have to understand that character disordered persons don’t play by the regular rules, so trying to reach consensus with them and exhausting yourself trying to get them to “see” the unhealthiness of their ways is pointless. I have a rhyme I like to use:
        “It’s not that they don’t see, it’s that they disagree.”
        Character disordered people are not stupid people. They’re contrary people.

        Abusers are character disordered people. They know what they are doing is wrong. The see very well that they are behaving immorally (sinfully). They just want to keep behaving that way and they don’t want to be held accountable for it.

        They act like the don’t understand, but they DO understand.

        We know that they do understand that what they are doing is wrong. How do we know? Because we see that they hide their evil deeds from the public at large: they are careful to only treat their victims cruelly behind closed doors, or if they do it in public they do it in ways that bystanders and observers won’t identify as ‘abuse’. Furthermore, abusers anticipate that their victims will resist the abuse, and abusers plan and strategise how to overcome and suppress that resistance and how to depict the victim’s resistance as “evidence of the victim’s own pathology”. (e.g. the abuser says: “my wife is crazy”)

  8. MarkQ

    This message is so true and so important. For years I was weighed down under the burdens of Pharisaical teaching. I went to church to accept my weekly beating and instruction on how I should try harder. But, I’ve heard truly encouraging sermons from some within my old church, and I realized after hearing one again recently that it was this very thing that drew me to a healthy and thriving church. The sermon was burden lifting and encouraging and I saw people around me who expressed their freedom without seeming to worry about appearances, and I knew it was the place I needed to be.

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