Some psychopaths and narcissists are quite public about their dark natures and have built public profiles where they claim to be explaining psychopathy / narcissism to society at large.
In this short post I’m featuring two quotes from Dr Karen Mitchell, and an interview that Mark Vicente (NXIVM whistleblower) did with Karen.
If you hope to gain insight from a high profile narcissist/psychopath claiming to be educating on their kind, you will inevitably be duped. There is absolutely no way that a narcissist/psychopath would honestly give away how dark personalities (narcissists, psychopaths) operate, the attributes they share, the tactics they use to destroy, exploit and avoid accountability. Dark personalities are exploitative, dishonest, misleading, and manipulative at their very core. My data shows they are all equally dangerous. That is not going to change just because they proclaim to be educating about their type and make some compelling comments in that regard. All high functioning dark personalities engage in charitable or helpful ideas and causes. They do this for greater acceptance in order to better manipulate and exploit. One of the key reasons several high profile narcissists/psychopaths who claim to educate about their type make points that resonate more than other points that have been made is because they provide far more information than the academics because the academics in the field have been so profoundly misleading and their data not comprehensive or nuanced in relation to higher functioning dark personalities in particular. This does not mean dark personalities do the best job of exposing their type. OF COURSE they are not going to give away the farm, so to speak. They lead us away from the red flags, the subtleties, they create confusion. Narcissists, psychopaths in the spotlight supposedly educating about their type, discuss different types of narcissists, BPD, psychopaths, they talk about lots of conceptualizations, they mix them all up together, they invent more, so they keep us focused on differentiators between them all. What we need to be doing as a human race though, is focusing on the SIMILARITIES, the shared attributes, the commonly used tactics amongst dark personalities. This is how we get better at recognising the predators amongst us, by knowing the patterns of behaviours.
— Dr Karen MitchellNarcissists, psychopaths, coercive controllers who claim to be educating about their kind always have a means to collect data from you. BEWARE. They will use this data to exploit because that’s what they are hard wired to do and there is always the potential for harm.
— Dr Karen Mitchell
Dr Karen Mitchell interviewed by Mark Vicente: The Hidden Dangers of High-Functioning Predators w/ Dr. Karen Mitchell (YouTube).
Learn more about Dr Karen Mitchell’s work here: Dr Karen Mitchell’s groundbreaking research on Dark Personalities. At the bottom of this link I give Karen’s list of the 20 attributes and 25 tactics that are common to all Dark Personalities.
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Beware of a counselor named Dr. David Hawkins of Seattle Washington. He is a narcissist, claiming to help married couples, when one of them is a narcissist. He makes videos on YouTube and has written many books. He holds week-long “intensives” that are very expensive.
He will take the narcissist’s side and convince you that you are the problem. My husband cheated on me repeatedly for 15 years. My questions could never be answered, Dr. Hawkins accused me of sounding like a lawyer when I asked for details of the affairs. Avoid his Marriage Recovery Center for your sanity!
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My heart goes out to you, findingoutwhyblog! The fees Hawkins charges seem astronomical. I’m guessing he milked you of a lot of money. He gave you no help but instead laid false accusations on you. I imagine your husband was secretly gleeful when he heard Hawkins berating you. Aarrggh!
I checked out Dr David Hawkins’ website. In what he does and what is says, I see quite a few red flags.
Here are some of the red flags I saw:
— On his profile pic, one side of his face is different from the other. In Dr Karen Mitchell’s research she found 20 attributes of dark personalities. One of the attributes often found in dark personalities is that half of the face may be smiling while the other side is serious or malevolent or flat. (See Karen’s tweet here.)
— He pushes a model of narcissism that does not contain the attribute of sadism, which is one of the narcissist’s greatest drivers.
— He talks about others derisively.
— He speaks about his own achievements a lot.
— He discusses lots of different conceptualizations in relation to narcissists and focuses on these differences. He claims that narcissists come on a spectrum, a claim that Dr George Simon Jr and Dr Karen Mitchell strongly disagree with.
— He claims that narcissists suffer from “low self esteem”. This is a bogus claim which is pushed by many of the so-called Christian counselors and advocates. Dr George Simon Jr and Dr Karen Mitchell both think this claim is bunkum.
His website says he is a Christian counselor. I read many of his blog posts and watched one of his videos and never once did I hear anything that sounded like a Christian statement.
He does NOT say that abuse is grounds for divorce. He encourages abused women not to give up on their marriages. He urges abused women to examine themselves for character flaws that need to be worked on. He uses and endorses the victim-blaming term “trauma bonding”.
He often gives the SAME ADVICE to both the abusive husband and the victimised wife!
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Barb,
I loved your post. 😊
In your comment of 22nd April 2025, you wrote:
I read through the tweet of Dr. Karen Mitchell’s that you linked to in your comment. In her tweet, she wrote:
She also wrote:
Sounds like some of the mega-church leaders….
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Wow, I’m glad I read these posts [comments] about Dr. D. Hawkins, as, no kidding, I literally was going to call his office today — to ask some questions about his YouTube video statements, in which he says that narcissists CAN change! As much as I want to believe that, I have major doubts but was willing to ask Dr. H what his success rate with that has been. He does have other counselors that work with him — women who have been through narc abuse and went through divorces, who do understand the full nature of these types of abuse situations, so I’m not sure why Dr. H. is doing what he’s doing.
Has anyone who may be reading this post heard of Dr. David E. Clarke? He also has a YouTube channel and offers phone counseling to encourage people (mostly women) to leave their narc abuser. He takes a very strong stance against narcissists and advocates divorcing them. He charges pretty high fees too though. I can’t afford any of these so-called counselor’s fees, so I am just relying on the Lord and seeking my church pastor’s / leaders’ support (which I know I may not get, as Barbara has warned me of) and a couple Christian communicators on YouTube — like Kris Reece & Shaneen Megji.
I know God, through His Holy Spirit in me, has been revealing truths to me as I asked Him to. I think it’s just a matter of time before I am released from this suffering from my abuser.
Thank you so much, Barbara, for keeping us informed and alerted to perpetrators of lies and abuse. God bless you.
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Dr. Hawkins must pay a lot for his female counselors. I spent a lot of time and money (thousands) on counseling and “intensives” with them, too. They tell you to change yourself, so that you can stay with the narc. Which leaves you feeling like nothing. I have stayed with my narc for more than 20 years, 10 years since D Day, because of our kids. I have 2 years left. Please don’t do this! Once too much time goes by, you’re even more stuck, and then they get old….you feel bad for thinking about leaving them. Not to mention the years of continued and underhanded abuse of the kids!
Dr. Clarke’s stuff is great, but I wouldn’t pay him or anyone for anything. You need to keep your resources together so that you can afford to leave. Nothing will change the narc! Changing yourself allows you to be devalued, which seems irreversible. Just leave! Somehow, some way.
[D Day = the day a wife discovers her husband has been using porn / having affairs / lying to her. — Eds.]
Trust in Jesus!
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