A Cry For Justice

Awakening the Evangelical Church to Domestic Violence and Abuse in its Midst

Snakes, spiders and pit bulls

[July 24, 2022: There have been some changes made to this post. For more information, read the Editors’ notes at the bottom of the post. Editors.]

Imagine if pit bull terriers and poisonous snakes and spiders were commonly used as companion animals. Imagine if they were common in homes, schools, nursing homes, churches and missionary organizations.

And now imagine that a skilled animal handler found a way to train pit bulls, snakes and spiders so that a few of them did not bite….but the training worked on only a few of them. No matter how hard the super-skilled trainer did his or her amazing stuff, the vast majority of those animals could not be trained.

Would it be sensible to say “Let’s teach all the animal trainers to use these amazing techniques so that a few less people are hurt by snakes, spiders and pit bulls?”

Or would it be more sensible to just ban poisonous snakes, spiders and pit bulls?

Of course, the analogy is imperfect….and I mean no offence to real snakes and spiders as they have a place in the ecosystem! But I think you get my point.

(Psalm 15:1-4  NASB1995)
O LORD, who may abide in Your tent?
Who may dwell on Your holy hill?
He who walks with integrity, and works righteousness,
And speaks truth in his heart.
He does not slander with his tongue,
Nor does evil to his neighbor,
Nor takes up a reproach against his friend;
In whose eyes a reprobate is despised,
But who honors those who fear the LORD;
He swears to his own hurt and does not change;

[July 24, 2022: Editors’ notes:

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  1. AnonMarriedWoman

    Good point for me with a older man. [His age was redacted by the ACFJ team.]

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  2. Song of Joy

    Oh, the dangerous creature comparison! I always thought of my dad as a Great White shark….

  3. Suzanne


  4. Finding Answers

    Weasels. Not as the God-created creature, but the human slang reference.

    From vocabulary.com : weasel [Internet Archive link]

    You can call someone who cheats and lies a weasel, or you can use the word literally, to refer to the small furry mammal called a weasel. The furry kind of weasel is known for its short legs, long neck, and musky smell. In fact, the word’s Proto-Germanic origin wisand carries the meaning of a stinky animal. The verb weasel means to sneak or evade, like when you weasel out of doing the dishes.

    Primary Meanings of weasel

    n small carnivorous mammal with short legs and elongated body and neck
    n a person who is regarded as treacherous or sneaky

  5. Liz

    This is actually pretty close to what pit bull apologists do. Yes. I went there.

    • Lyla

      Kudos to you for going there. I can’t stand Pitbull apologists. I can’t stand any kind of apologist. I was taught to apologize and assume the best of people and species all my life. No way.

  6. Liz

    Also weasels are closely related to ferrets. The more you know.

    • Finding Answers

      The thought of ferrets crossed my mind. 🙂 And some people keep them as pets….

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  7. Innoscent

    Great analogy Barb! It makes so much sense.

    The church ecosystem is so disrupted and perverted that it has become a “chaosystem” (vs sound ecosystem).

    Not only training techniques are the wrong ones being taught to animal handlers, but the chaosystem is breeding more poisonous snakes, spiders and pit bulls, which the church folks are encouraged to welcome kindly and unconditionally. Love is to embrace venomous species and crush their victims. Genesis 3:15 turned on its head (pun intended)!

    Now Revelation 18:2 makes total sense to me…

    And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

  8. Anon#N

    Thank you for honoring the ecosystem (in reference to spiders, snakes, pit-bulls); the analogy is actually useful and this is a very timely and important blog post.

    I struggle with my Christianity, sometimes I am very confused by theology and tenets of faith, yet outside of what I believe can be very legalistic description, my faith in the Lord is secure (and given to me throughout my life).

    My abuser was my minister who I was dating [mainstream denomination, name of denomination redacted by Eds]. Because I shared my confusion he used the Bible against me, and my lack of a language to defend myself – against me. He used the Bible as a sword to leave me still-in-motion, accusing me and saying that I am unfit to be in a Christian community, and that his attraction to me was a form of demonic possession. He said I was demonized, and the demons around me were preventing him from rejecting me. It was very scary. I will [not?] go on or detail further, there is much to this story.

    Now that my skies are clearer and I am away from him for one year, I can see that he is actually a predator (in the way he groomed me and then normalized outrageous behaviors and words), abusive (not only to me but to his collar and the office which he represents). With so much #ChurchToo and (no offense to the snake) snakes in the church, I now see that sexual misconduct is a symptom of an abuse of power in all areas.

    I am grateful now that God has moved me through this experience. It was a shock to see reality for the first time, in a real, personal and terrifying way. Now I am gentler to myself as I move into understanding better the Bible and myself. And that joy given to me and placed in my heart can sound different to what this minister says and implies. My gifts are from God and no one can come between that (I like nature and spend lots of time there, so this particular minister tried to make it sound pagan or demonically inspired).

    A charlatan’s job is to trick, the rest of us have a job to trust.
    Church should not allow snakes.

    • Thanks so much for your comment. I airbrushed it a little to protect you from being identified.

      That guy is definitely a snake, a skilled predator and a very evil man! You have done well to see through his lies. 🙂

      You had given a screen name that might have helped your abuser or his allies identify you, so I changed it to the one I gave you when you commented on this blog before. So your screen name here is Anon#N. It would help us (the blog Admins) if you would put that name in the comments form when submitting comments to this blog. It would save us time.

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      • Anon#N

        Barbara thank you for the name Anon#N which I have noted and will be sure to utilize when posting again. Thank you for your great support and work. Have a good week!

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