Thursday Thought — Charm: A Red Flag
[November 23, 2022: There have been some changes made to this post. For more information, read the Editors’ notes at the bottom of the post. Editors.]
He is so charming! Oh, isn’t he charming! How often have victims heard phrases like these used to describe their abuser? Too often, far too often.
Gavin de Becker, author of The Gift of Fear, [*Affiliate link], and Dr. George Simon have some informative insight into this common abuser tactic. Take a moment to read de Becker’s quote and the articles by Simon (links to the entire articles are included below) and then share with us how charm was part of your abuser’s façade.
Excerpt from Gavin de Becker’s book, The Gift of Fear, pp 63 – 64:
Charm is an another overrated ability. Note that I called it an ability, not an inherent feature of one’s personality. Charm is almost always a directed instrument, which, like rapport-building, has motive. To charm is to compel, to control by allure or attraction. Think of charm as a verb, not a trait. If you consciously tell yourself, “This person is trying to charm me” as opposed to, “This person is charming,” you’ll be able to see around it. Most often, when you see what’s behind charm, it won’t be sinister, but other times you’ll be glad you looked.
Excerpt from George Simon’s article Manipulators and Charm:
Some folks are charming in the most benign and appealing way. They are not only sincerely well-mannered but also genuinely positively regarding of others. The very way in which they conduct themselves and the authentic respect they have for others is “attractive” in its own right. But there are those characters whose display of charm is a farce, part of a calculated use of seduction to take advantage of others. Unfortunately, sometimes it’s really hard to tell the difference between benign charm and malevolent seduction, but armed with sufficient information and with some careful scrutiny a person can distinguish the two….
Note: Manipulators and Charm is part one of a two-part series. Part two: Charm Offensive or Offensive Charm?
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He is Just the Nicest Man I’ve Ever Met — Beware the Abuser’s Charm
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OH MY GOODNESS!!!!! He was the best of the best. With the ladies, he just shined.
I have discussed this with other targets of abuse too….it is such an insidious act (not trait). My husband has an innocent school-boy act that helps him get away with a lot….esp with women. He always gravitates toward women but doesn’t come on as charming but more like he’s looking for a mother figure that needs to be taken care of to some degree. Of course this melts most women who have a naturally nurturing side. “Could you help me with this? I was never good at _____. ” I wouldn’t call him charming per se because he is a shy, covert narcissist. His quiet demeanor hides his passive aggressive way of life. He seems harmless….until you find yourself trapped in his web and see that his seemingly benign behavior was actually strategic. 😦
Amen to the last sentence! Except he was charming, and always the expert with the answer to everyone’s problems; so sweet, and kind, and generous. Not so happy, though, when people didn’t consult him on his expertise, cars, but they never knew that. Also, he could never keep his hands off people, men or women, always putting it on their shoulder or back as he walks along saying his [missing words or phrase?] to everyone. I was always bothered by that.
And then when it’s over you get a glimpse of the monster inside of him if you dare ask for anything. Once he took the mask off, his inside and outside finally matched up.
Yes, Valerie!! Thank you for this very concise snapshot. My anti-husbands ‘charm’ is much closer to what you describe than Outofdarkness’s description of too-good-to-be-true seeming-perfection. For me, I’m trying to find another synonym to go with charm that explains it better for me, something like a loveable larrikin / country boy persona. I had difficulty seeing the charm until my psych pointed out that charm doesn’t always look like perfection (to those people that the abuser wants to hoodwink).
—that was my second husband.
Somewhat shy, bit of a loner, inconspicuously polite, with no obvious vices — that was my first.
Mine was like your first; had a “nice guy” reputation, but….he was also cold. The entire sham marriage (save the first six months) was like living through years of winter. The more I submitted, the colder he became.
What about the appearance of rock solid integrity that commands everyone’s respect? My husband seemed to be the most holy, smartest, and put-together person I have ever met. Everyone who meets him thinks he is exceptional. Is this a form of charm? He wasn’t trying to lure me — he just projected an admirable character. Looking back, it seems he was “too perfect”
From Merriam’s [Charm [Internet Archive link]1] —
I’ve always thought of charm to be something noted with the opposite sex. I wondered if charisma [Internet Archive link]2 might be another word to describe what you’re saying:
I know the kind of person you’re talking about though. How their outward vibe contrasts sharply with their inner motivation is downright creepy with narcissists / sociopaths / psychopaths.
I also found this secondary definition of charm quite eerie:
In a sense this is how I saw my husband when we met. He seemed to be so put together as well and I, on the other hand, felt so….not put together. Subconsciously I thought that somehow his seemingly positive, confident traits would rub off on me. I thought he would be….gulp….a good influence. 😦
I also came across this and found it to be eerie as well. This particular site [Internet Archive link]3 lists 5 personality traits that “promote team building”:
Check….he was always portraying himself to be up for anything new. I now know, however, that chronic boredom is a narcissistic trait.
Check….he was constantly putting others down (to me) who he deemed unreliable and / or thoughtless in their work.
Check….while he was shy he definitely got his “energy” from being around others (shudder).
Check….quick to open doors for ladies (including me – if someone was watching). He was a team player and would also tell others what good ideas they had in group settings (but put them down to me behind their backs).
Check….I mistook his arrogance and lack of empathy for emotional stability.
And I wondered how it is he could get our church and friends as his “team” to be against me and instead align themselves with him. 😦
1[November 23, 2022: We added the link to Merriam-Webster’s page with the definition of the word “charm”. The Internet Archive link is a copy of that page. Editors.]
2[November 23, 2022: We added the link to Wikipedia’s page with the definition of the word “charisma”. The Internet Archive link is a copy of that page. The Wikipedia definition was taken from the New Oxford American Dictionary, edited by Angus Stevenson and Christine A. Lindberg. Oxford University Press, 2010. Editors.]
3[November 23, 2022: We added the link a page with the quotes Valerie quoted. The Internet Archive link is a copy of that page. Editors.]
Valerie, I agree. Mine had a way with words. He loved to talk and people felt comfortable around him. Charmer? Yes he was a charmer. It was 2 months after I left a family member got a message from him. When I read it I got sick. He poured all the charm he could. The message went something like this:
A narcissist charmer will say what it takes to try to win you back, even if it sounds ridiculous. When you don’t respond they will tell others, “See how nice I was to her. She just wants to be stubborn and cruel. She won’t work with me. She has a problem.”
Reminds me of another Tolkien quote from “The Fellowship of the Ring” when the hobbits first met up with Strider, Frodo said [Internet Archive link]1 of Strider:
It’s an interesting observation. Tolkien’s opposing example, of course, was the traitor Saruman who had the gift of charm.
1[November 23, 2022: We added the link a page with the quote Joepote01 quoted. The Internet Archive link is a copy of that page. Editors.]
I did a study on this Scripture last year:
Charm is indeed deceitful….a cover up. My husband has a problem with being ever so charming and polite to all that know him, but at home he is cynical, critical, controlling among many others things.
At the moment he is being so charming and sweet to me.
His charming ways make me sick to the gut. When I see him in action I know it is totally insincere. He sounds so syrupy and over-polite, especially with our older kids and friends. So very insincere.
An excellent, awesome post! I showed it to my teenage daughter and find it a very good tool to assess those around us. My son plays sports, and I have to sit at each game and watch the degenerate sociopath ex “charm” all my son’s teammates’ parents and coaches. Just knowing what an evil person he is, I find I wish for a vomit bag every time I have to watch the charade. I often think of serial killer Ted Bundy who used to use his “charm” to fool unsuspecting women into helping him with his perceived physical limitations. Cold-blooded calculating evil.