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John Piper’s Works Righteousness “Gospel” (Part 4) — Work Hard Enough and You Might Just Maybe, Perhaps Squeeze Through that Narrow Way

Joshua 24:19-22   But Joshua said to the people, “You are not able to serve the LORD, for he is a holy God. He is a jealous God; he will not forgive your transgressions or your sins. If you forsake the LORD and serve foreign gods, then he will turn and do you harm and consume you, after having done you good.” And the people said to Joshua, “No, but we will serve the LORD.” Then Joshua said to the people, “You are witnesses against yourselves that you have chosen the LORD, to serve him.” And they said, “We are witnesses.”

Mr. Piper, you who would have us be justified by the Law — do you not hear the Law?

Once again, we want our readers to understand why we continue to go after John Piper. Piper teaches abuse victims that they cannot divorce their abuser no matter how severe the abuse. No matter if the husband sexually molests the children. No matter if a wife drowns the children in the bathtub. And, he says, if you do divorce for ANY reason and remarry while that abuser is still alive, you are guilty of adultery. There it is. That is what he teaches. He may was well have entitled his permanence view book, This Momentary Hell From Which there is No Escape.

We are hitting Piper at the very foundation of his error.  Namely, his false gospel of justification by works. We conclude that all the rest of his legalistic teachings rise out of this bad root. As we showed last time, Piper says we must pass a future justification which is based on our works. With this in mind, Piper does not actually teach Future Grace, but Future Judgment. His Christian Hedonism has become the grid through which he interprets Scripture, and though he describes it as “enjoying God/desiring God,” we suggest that it is more properly called “Christian Asceticism” the goal of which is to earn God’s favor.

Alright then, let’s turn to his three chapters (22-24) in his book What Jesus Demands From the World, and see another example of Piper’s misapplication of Law to Christ’s people. In other words, his false gospel of justification by works. Actually in this post we will only look at chapter 22, and only part of that because really, to point out the errors in this one book would require a veritable encyclopedia of volumes.  Piper opens this chapter with a quotation of the following Scripture:

Luke 13:23-24   And someone said to him, “Lord, will those who are saved be few?” And he said to them, “Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.

We recognize right away that some very similar words are recorded by Matthew:

Matthew 7:13-14   “Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.”

Now, I suspect that it has been debated if these two accounts are describing one and the same event, or if they refer to two different times that Jesus said virtually the same words. So we will deal with both cases.  Piper also refers to Matthew’s account. Let’s ask then a basic, fundamental interpretive question that any Bible student with even rather elementary competence would ask right off before trying to interpret these verses: To Whom is Jesus Speaking?

Answer: Jesus is addressing crowds of unregenerate Jews with some of His disciples present. (Not all of His disciples were necessarily genuine believers, as time would tell). In other words, Jesus is addressing people who were the people of the Old Covenant. The physical circumcision. People who, through wrong teaching and a wrong understanding of the Law of God, felt that they were a shoe in for God’s Kingdom. It is Jesus’ purpose here to teach them the real nature of God’s kingdom, and to show them that the Law of God required far more than they could ever hope to perform.  In other words, Jesus was using the Law of God to “kill” their self righteousness and show them their desperate need for a Savior.

In support of this answer, consider the following verses:

Luke 13:22   He went on his way through towns and villages, teaching and journeying toward Jerusalem.

Luke 13:26-30   Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in your presence, and you taught in our streets.’ But he will say, ‘I tell you, I do not know where you come from. Depart from me, all you workers of evil!’ In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God but you yourselves cast out. And people will come from east and west, and from north and south, and recline at table in the kingdom of God. And behold, some are last who will be first, and some are first who will be last.”

Matthew 5:1   Seeing the crowds, he went up on the mountain, and when he sat down, his disciples came to him.

Matthew 5:20   For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 5:47   And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?

Matthew 7:28-29   And when Jesus finished these sayings, the crowds were astonished at his teaching, for he was teaching them as one who had authority, and not as their scribes.

Alright.  I trust that these verses adequately support the conclusion stated above — that Jesus was addressing crowds of unregenerate Jews with the purpose of making them despair of their so-called legal righteousness. Jesus was showing them the impossibility of keeping the Law of God and thereby making themselves righteous.  Jesus is not preaching gospel here. He is laying down the demands and condemnation of the Law.

With this all in mind, I believe the most effective thing for me to do at this point is to simply give you a quote of the first couple of pages of Piper’s 22nd chapter which is entitled, Strive to Enter Through the Narrow Door, For All of Life is War.  As you read, keep asking yourself, “who is Piper addressing here? Who is the “us” and the “we”? And then honestly deal with this question: Is John Piper teaching salvation by works? I insist that his own words prove that he is:

Jesus taught us that life is war. When he said, “Strive to enter through the narrow door” (Luke 13:24), the Greek word behind the English strive is recognizable in English transliteration: agnizesthe . You can see the word agonize in that Greek word. The implication is that we must struggle, wrestle, and exert ourselves. But the most important fact about the word “strive” is that the one other place where we find it on Jesus’ lips is John 18:36, where he says his disciples would be “fighting” if his kingdom were of this world. “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews.” So here the phrase “strive to enter” means that entering is a battle.

STRIVE TO ENTER WHAT?

Entering what? The kingdom of God. This is plain from the following context. After saying that we should “strive to enter through the narrow door,” he refers to a master of a house who rises and shuts the door so that no one else can enter (Luke 13:25). Those outside knock and say, “Lord, open to us,” but the master says, “I do not know where you come from.” Then they say, “We ate and drank in your presence, and you taught in our streets.” But he responds, “Depart from me, all you workers of evil!” (Luke 13:25-27). Then Jesus applies this picture to the real situation of some who will be excluded from the kingdom of God while Gentiles from all over the world will “recline at table in the kingdom of God.” “In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God but you yourselves cast out. And people will come from east and west, and from north and south, and recline at table in the kingdom of God” (Luke 13:28-29). So the “narrow door” through which we must “strive” to enter is the door to the kingdom of God. Outside there is “weeping and gnashing of teeth” (Luke 13:28). This is one of the ways Jesus refers to hell: “Throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth” (Matt. 13:50). The alternative to entering by the narrow gate is destruction. “Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction” (Matt. 7:13). In other words, what is at stake when Jesus demands that we “strive to enter” is heaven and hell. It is an ultimate issue.

THE GREATEST THREAT IS OUR OWN SIN EVERY DAY

But what does Jesus want us to strive against so that we can enter through the narrow door? What are the obstacles? If life is war, who is the enemy? In our striving, the aim is not to hurt anyone. Jesus is clear that we are to love our enemies and do good to those who hate us (Luke 6:27). Saying that life is war does not mean that we make war on people, but on sin, especially our own. In fact, it is only our own sin that can keep us from entering the kingdom, not anyone else’s. The sin of others can hurt us, even kill us. But that does not keep us from entering the kingdom of God. Our own sin is the greatest threat to entering the kingdom of God. But temptation to sin comes from an amazing variety of sources. Jesus is demanding serious personal vigilance. The command to “watch” is one of his most frequent commands. The idea is that we must be awake and alert and ready, lest the temptations of life take us off guard and we be overcome and ruined. Jesus said to his disciples in the Garden of Gethsemane, “Watch and pray that you may not enter into temptation. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak” (Mark 14:38).

This command is relevant to all of life. Temptations abound, and Jesus does not take them lightly. The watchword of all of life is, watch, be alert. I say all of life because Jesus warned that the days just before his second coming would be in many ways very normal. It will be, Jesus says, like the days of Noah before the flood came and swept people away who were utterly unsuspecting. They were not watchful. Life seemed too normal, so they were not vigilant. “As in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark . . . so will be the coming of the Son of Man. . . . Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming” (Matt. 24:38-39, 42). Nothing is more normal than eating and drinking and marrying. The point is that we must be vigilant all the time, not just when the times feel perilous. They are always perilous. Soul-destroying temptations to unbelief and sin are present in everyday, normal life. Striving to enter through the narrow door is a lifelong, all-day, every-day calling.

Piper, John (2006-09-30). What Jesus Demands from the World (Kindle Locations 2550-2589). Good News Publishers. Kindle Edition.

In our next post in this series we will continue to examine how Piper deals with and applies these words of Christ about entering by the narrow way. We will see that he consistently applies the Law of God, meant to convict unbelievers of their condemnation and need for Christ, to people who have already been freely justified by grace through faith alone in Christ alone. In other words, he continues to teach a false gospel of justification by works.

Note: Here is a link to what R. Scott Clark, professor at Westminster Seminary, California, has to say about this notion of a supposed two-stage justification (which Piper does indeed teach).  Thanks to Barbara for finding this link. R. Scott Clark 2-Stage

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30 Comments

  1. fiftyandfree

    Jeff, you said, “This Momentary Hell From Which there is No Escape.” This is EXACTLY how I felt for the 12 years I lived in bondage to the abuser. Except I’d take out the word “momentary” because I feared that after death released me from the abuser that I might end up burning in hell for anyway for despising the man and for “wanting” to divorce him. I thought I had a better chance staying married, but I feared eternity in hell was a distinct possibility for me whether I divorced or not.

    You also said, “We will see that he consistently applies the Law of God, meant to convict unbelievers of their condemnation and need for Christ, to people who have already been freely justified by grace through faith alone in Christ alone. In other words, he continues to teach a false gospel of justification by works.” This is a fascinating statement and has put a fire in me to search the scriptures because I wonder how much fear and condemnation some of us live with when we do this, not just with divorce, but in other areas of our lives.

    Thanks for your detailed explanations of Piper’s theology. My eyes have really been opened.

    • Jeff Crippen

      50free- that’s great! Glad it helped. For a starting exercise let me suggest that you go to the Sermon on the Mount, Matt 5 thru 7, and ask yourself some basic questions. 1) WHO is Jesus speaking to (hint, see the very beginning vss AND especially the very last verses of the sermon in chapter 7. 2) Who else was on a mountain speaking God’s Word to Israelites? What does this say about Jesus’ purpose here?

      And then in light of those questions and answers, ask yourself “Is Jesus primarily speaking Law or Gospel to his audience in this sermon?” And if the answer is “Law” and His main purpose is to bring them to the very end of their self-trust and in their supposed automatic shoe-in into God’s kingdom just because they were physical descendants of Abraham, then Christ’s purpose was to show them their condemnation due to their inability to obey the Law of God from the heart. And, if all this is the case, then how is it that Piper is preaching this stuff at CHRISTIANS whose righteousness is Jesus Christ alone? AND if all that be so, then as you say, just how much legalism have we been taught and have we laid upon ourselves? Time for a reboot!!

  2. Carmen S.

    “Saying that life is war does not mean we make war on people, but on sin, especially our own. In fact, it is only our sin that can keep us from entering the kingdom, not anyone else’s.”

    Jesus did not tell us to fight our way into heaven by fighting our sin. Yes, our sin does indeed keep us from entering the kingdom. God’s justice must be satisfied. Jesus came to do exactly that…for me. I’ve heard Dr. Michael Horton, among many others, say that we are hard-wired to the Law. Law is “natural” to us. What is unnatural to us is the Gospel, which is why it is truly ‘good news.”

  3. Don Johnson

    I think John Piper is dead wrong in this area, that his teachings in this area cause harm to members of the body of Christ and that he should repent.

    From a Hebrew meaning perspective, faith is always an active faith, it is not just mental assent. If one claims to have faith in Jesus but there are no changes in one’s life from before, then this shows that one does not really have faith in Jesus.

    Also, “works of the Law” (sometimes just “works”) is a phrase found in the Dead Sea Scrolls in Hebrew as Ma’aseh haTorah, which is a shorthand for the set of Jewish identity markers, such as keeping Sabbath, eating kosher, etc. It seems that in the 1st century, some Jews thought they were in the Kingdom of God simply because of God’s promises to the Patriarchs, as long as they were at least nominal Jews and did nothing so bad as to be kicked out. Both Jesus and Paul spoke against this false understanding. Both Jews and gentiles needed to have a saving faith, a trust in Jesus to show them what to do.

  4. David Lee

    I haven’t read John Piper’s actual teaching on this. Do you have a URL where I can read this myself? Or see a video of him teaching it?

    • The book is available for free PDF file download: http://www.desiringgod.org/books/what-jesus-demands-from-the-world . Look of the link below the image of the book’s cover, just above the purchase links.

    • Jeff Crippen

      David- just read his book What Jesus Demands From the World. As you read, ask yourself “now just WHO is Piper talking to?” And check his Scripture citations very carefully.

      • David Lee

        Thanks Jeff. I did download the book from the location kindly posted by Robert below, and I have read some of it. I can see no answer to your question other than that he’s writing it to believers. Are you saying that’s bad? I’m not relying on my obedience for salvation, but I am glad for the commands of Christ such that I know what pleases him. I’m guessing, tell me if I’m off base here, that you have a problem with statements of his such as this one on page 160:
        ‘There is no doubt that Jesus saw some measure of real, lived-out
        obedience to the will of God as necessary for final salvation. “Whoever
        does the will of God, he is my brother and sister and mother” (Mark
        3:35).’
        Am I correct?

      • Jeff Crippen

        David – Yes, that is the very kind of comment that is wrong. I agree fully that the faith that receives Christ for justification is a faith that works. That bears fruit. But in addition to the statement you quote here, Piper adds many others that connect our works with “final” justification. That is wrong. Justification is not to be connected with works. Note that word in your quote, “necessary.” There’s the problem. Our works are not necessary for justification/salvation. Faith that is genuine faith does work. It obeys God’s law. It produces Godly fruit. A so called faith that does not produce that fruit is not genuine faith. Piper is edgy, but he has crossed the line here. Now, as to your question about who the Sermon on the Mount is directed at, Piper does not specify believers or unbelievers. He just says “us,” “we,” and so on. His book title is “What Jesus Demands From the WORLD.” Jesus was addressing the large crowds of Jews. Some he directed the beatitudes to (the lowly and contrite). To the mass of the crowd he directed the Law, showing them that the popular notion of righteousness they had been taught was wrong and unacceptable to God. Piper throws those same teachings at everyone, including believers. And the end result is that he guilt trips people who are already righteous in Christ.

      • David Lee

        Thanks for your response Jeff. I wasn’t reading what he wrote the same way you did, but that’s ok. I’m sure you’re not advocating disobedience simply to underscore grace, but what you’re saying could be twisted to imply that.

        FYI, I didn’t ask to whom the sermon on the mount was directed. Maybe somebody earlier up did.

  5. Carmen S.

    Why do notable teachers endorse John Piper’s books? Two endorsements on this book might give a clue.
    Dr. Sinclair Ferguson, Professor of Systematic Theology, Redeemer Seminary, Dallas, Texas ( Dr. Ferguson has returned to live in Scotland) “Scholars, popularists, and now even novelists are falling over each other today in a blind passion to discover an alternative Jesus to the One so magnificently portrayed in the biblical Gospels. In stark and refreshing contrast John Piper clear-sightedly grasps the obvious—the biblical Jesus is worth living and dying for.”

    William J. U. Philip, minister, St. George’s-Tron Church, Glasgow, Scotland
    “The Christian gospel is more than just a wonderful offer of saving grace. It is a demand for supreme loyalty, for surrender to the lordship of Jesus. We forget that too easily in our contemporary church, besieged as we are by a philosophy of pluralism that rejects ultimate authority and a culture of rights that scorns submission. But John Piper reminds us of the real truth: obedience to Christ’s commands is our absolute duty; yet, paradoxically, in his service is perfect freedom and joy!”

    Stand up for the real Jesus and defend him? Stand up for authority and submission?

  6. Anonymous

    My pastor doesn’t quote Piper, but I recognize this kind of teaching from the pulpit. There is a sense of condemnation as members are regularly asked if they measure up to some standard.

    Just the other day, a home group leader admonished the group to have “clean hearts”. Immediately, I thought of John 13, where Jesus told Simon, “And you are clean, but not every one of you.” Jesus is clear about who He was addressing. He did not have the one and same message to His disciples and the one who wasn’t. Those whom He had made clean were already clean – they didn’t have to ask to be cleaned. The ones who were not, weren’t clean. And again, in John 13:18, Jesus says, “I am not speaking of all of you; I know whom I have chosen.”

    So what the home group leader could have said was, “If you are in Christ, you are clean. But if you are not in Christ, as shown by your fruit, you need to be clean, and only Christ can give you a clean heart.” Have I got that right?

    • Jeff Crippen

      Anon- you got it! See what we all need to wake up to? Jesus is our righteousness!

  7. anonymous

    Piper is going to be speaking at our church. I guess I understand a little but better about WHY I got the response I did when I went to the church for help. 😦

    • Jeff Crippen

      Piper at your church? Oh man!

    • Yeah, Anon. That’s the same kind of thing that Persistent Widow has experienced. When she went to her church (now her ex-church) for help, they laid the book of (Piper’s) law on her regarding divorce, but they didn’t tell her outright that they were using Piper’s teaching. They just copied his teaching on divorce.

      It was only when Persistent Widow started doing her own research that she realised that her church had adopted Piper’s teaching on divorce. It really disappointed and hurt her. She had thought that since the church was part of the PCA (Presbyterian Church of America) her church leaders would therefore at, the very least, follow the Westminster Confession’s teaching on divorce — which allows divorce for adultery and desertion by an unbeliever — but they didn’t. They just followed Piper, without announcing that they had diverged from the Westminster Confession.

      In their ordination, pastors and elders in the PCA must take a vow stating that they subscribe to the Westminster Confession of Faith. But the leaders of PCA churches like that one Persistent Widow went to have uttered these vows, but either not meant what they said, or resiled from it later without telling their congregations and the Presbyteries they are accountable to. Maybe they just made the vows in order to get the leadership position they wanted. It sickens me and makes me cross, when men behave this way.

      This kind of behavior by churches is not uncommon, from what we’ve heard. Church leaders are often following Piper’s ideas without necessarily telling their congregations they are doing so. And unless the sheep get jabbed by the pointy end of Piper’s theology, they will have no idea they are being led down the garden path by their leaders.

      Too many leaders are being lazy. They seem to think “This woman has come and reported domestic abuse and I don’t know what to make of all debate about divorce doctrine, so I’ll just follow Piper, since he seems to be so popular. And he takes a hard line, so he must be Biblical.”

      • anonymous

        *sigh* and now they are hiring one of his former colleagues. How are so many so blind?? Will be so thankful when I am able to relocate to a new church.

  8. Looks like Westminster has taken down the links.

    • Yes, the links at Westminster Clark links to in his Puritanboard post are no longer there.

  9. I just want to say how much I love this series, and how helpful it has been for me. Reading all this dissection of the WHO of Jesus’ different audiences has been eye opening… it feels like more logs roll off my shoulders with every post.
    This blog is clearly driven by the Holy Spirit, Amen!! 🙂

  10. Brenda R

    When Pastor announced that JP has a new book coming out called “Think” in service this morning, I wanted to spit nails. Please excuse the visual. Me Thinks that JP may need to use some of his own advice and think before he writes. I have heard Pastor use quotes from JP’s books before, but am becoming more aware of some of his twisted teachings in sermons. It is frightening.

  11. Carmen S.

    David,
    You wrote, “I wasn’t reading what he wrote the same way that you did, but that’s ok. I’m sure you’re not advocating disobedience simply to underscore grace.” Those are two of the issues here, David. Why is it so difficult to figure out what John Piper actually means? He could present his beliefs and thoughts more clearly, could he not? People end up reading into Pipers books what they think he is saying, and do not check the books against Scripture.

    Pastor Crippen is not an advocate for antinomianism, but that does seem to be the charge against anyone that doesn’t throw the Law at believers. John Piper feels that sin isn’t taken seriously in American churches because of Joel Osteen and Joyce Myers, but by saying that he shows he doesn’t understand that Osteen and Myers preach law. We are hard-wired for law…the gospel doesn’t come naturally.

  12. Carmen S.

    Brenda,

    Think was published in March 2011. Endorsements by the usual: Sam Storms, Al Mohler, Doug Wilson, C. J. Mahaney…and then a distiniguishing endorsement from Dr. Michael Horton. Did he read the book? Second question: in all these years no one else has written a book addressing Christians thinking and using their minds? Really? I’m a little put-off that John Piper has to flood the publishing world with endless books on everything he can “think ” of just to write another book. That’s my opinion, and may I please, be allowed to have my own opinion, even though I am a woman. I might be right….

    Actually, I’m sure we would sincerely like Christians to think and have that happen on a wide-scale. But what happens when we DO think, and discern? We are then told to be quiet and not disagree. Maybe women shouldn’t think?

    Hugs to you, Brenda 🙂 Hang in there!

    • Brenda R

      Thank you for that bit of background Carmen. Pastor made it sound as though this book was something totally new. His sermon revolved around taking time to read the Bible and then giving adequate time to think on the subject you read. I didn’t get the impression that he has read it. I don’t understand why a book is necessary on thinking other than one that I read by a former mediocre Lakers basketball player turned Christian teacher. His ministry seemed to revolve around high school and college age kids/young adults. He was attempting to show them ways to keep their mind from sin, such as when you see the girl in a super mini skirt you should first think of white polar bears and when your mind was filled with the white polar bears start thinking of pink elephants or something to that effect to keep the mind from lust. He used that same application with not eating the next doughnut etc. I can’t remember his name off hand. I think his last name is Carty. I was never a big fan of basketball, but his book was something I wish I had read when my kids were growing up.

      Anyways back to the subject. Piper doesn’t want women to disagree. I don’t think he wants men to disagree. I am not at all sure that he advocates reading the Bible for yourself and seeing what God has to say on the subject. But his twists seem to say that the shed blood of Jesus isn’t powerful enough to keep us saved once and for all. We have to continue to work at it and when you take your last breath the questions of salvation will be answered. I see that nowhere in my Bible, but Piper seems to have his very own translation.

  13. Carmen S.

    John Piper has stated he wrote “What Jesus Demands From The World” to address the great commission. As you have noticed, Piper focuses on what he has labeled “demands”, i.e., “teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you.”

    Let’s go to the start of Matthew 28:19-20
    “Go therefore and make disciples”
    Christ said to go and make disciples ( learners). Even when the authority of the apostles was necessary to build the foundation, their authority NEVER exceeded the assumed ability of God’s people to understand the Scriptures for themselves.

    The apostle Paul said the ability of the believer to understand and follow Christ is the final authority: “Follow me as I follow Christ; if anyone else preaches another gospel to you, let him be accursed.” All of the books and letters of the Bible were written to the Assembly of God’s people, and those gifted ( a pastor is a gifted position, not a position of authority over others) with leadership have no other revelation.

    “To the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints who are in all Achaia”
    “To the saints who are in Ephesus, and faith in Christ”
    “To all the saints in Christ Jesus who are in Philippi, with the bishops and deacons”

    The apostle Paul called on every believer to follow Christ only, and leaders are to be judged by said believers to do so truthfully. Authority is vested in our ability to understand and follow Christ.

    Believer, be a disciple. Believer, be a Berean. Believer, follow only Christ.

  14. Lacie

    It would be fruitful for you to write something that links John Piper with his upbringing at BJU. It seems that he has tacked on Supposedly Reformed thinking to the legalistic teaching or atmosphere of BJU. An old enemy in disguise.

    • Good suggestion, Lacie. We are all so busy but we may find the time impulse to do it someday.

  15. Angela

    John Piper and other teachers of two stage justification confuse law and gospel.They want to make the law the good news for how we are to do this and live. They do not understand the enormity of what the law demands. Tragically that leads them to reject the righteousness of God, which is only available in the perfect, imputed righteousness of Christ. It is terrifying to think how God will deal with them on the last day.

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  16. Finding Answers

    A additional comment on the R. Scott Clark link…..most of the information – or links to it – can be found on his Heidelblog. The Holy Spirit really had to reign in my passion to research!

    Research on the Heidelblog clearly demonstrated Piper’s “two-stage” justification is tripe.

    Pastor Jeff wrote ….We will see that he consistently applies the Law of God, meant to convict unbelievers of their condemnation and need for Christ, to people who have already been freely justified by grace through faith alone in Christ alone. In other words, he continues to teach a false gospel of justification by works.

    Without using Scripture, my abusers (unbelievers) reinforced my condemnation, and the way to “justify” myself was with works. My automatic reaction – rather than response – is believing my relationship with God is contingent on what I do….

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