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Awakening the Evangelical Church to Domestic Violence and Abuse in its Midst

Was the Old Covenant just about fear, punishment and vindication?

UPDATE  Sept 2021:  I have come to believe that Jeff Crippen does not practise what he preaches.  He vilely persecuted an abuse victim and spiritually abused many other people in the Tillamook congregation. Go here to read the evidence. Jeff has not gone to the people that he spiritually and emotionally abused. He has not apologised to them, let alone asked for their forgiveness.

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[July 5, 2022: There have been some changes made to this post. For more information, read the Editors’ notes at the bottom of the post. Editors.]

Didn’t the Old Testament God use fear to instill faith, and wasn’t the Old Covenant just about punishment and vindication? Hasn’t Christ provided us with a different covenant, one of love, grace, and mercy?  {Paraphrase of Tending Weeds’ comment.]

This question was raised by one of our readers, Tending Weeds, in a previous post, and I’ve decided to put it in a new post here as I think it’s such a good topic for discussion that I don’t want people to miss it.

Here is how I (Barb) responded to Tending Weed’s question:

[July 2022. This section has been slightly edited — Eds.]

….I was helped very much when I read somewhere that there is continuity and discontinuity between the Old and New Testaments.

I don’t see the God of the Old Testament as a different God from the God of the New Testament. In the Old Testament, God gave people instructions, commandments, precepts, and case laws to act as guidelines for administering justice in the nation of Israel. Knowing that mankind had fallen into sin, He made provision for forgiveness of sin through the sacrificial system. Those who followed those provisions with repentance and faith were forgiven because, in those animal sacrifices, the ultimate sacrifice (Christ on the cross) was being represented. True believers, like Abraham, looked forward by faith to the promised Messiah, and thereby found mercy and forgiveness from Yahweh.

In the Old Testament, God did not rule simply by fear, He ruled in just the same way He rules now. He set forth His commands and laws, His demand for righteousness and penalties for disobedience. He knew people would never in themselves measure up to His demand for righteousness, and He provided mercy and forgiveness for sins through faith in the atoning sacrifice of the Messiah. The people in the Old Testament heard many things about the coming Messiah, the cut up carcasses which Abraham saw in his dream, the ‘prophet like me’ that Moses foretold, the offspring of David, the righteous branch, etc. Faithful Jews knew that all these prophecies, dreams, visions, types and shadows pointed forward to ONE Messiah.

In the New Testament God rules just the same way: He sets forth His demand for righteousness and warns of penalties for disobedience (chastisement, excommunication for those who have called themselves believers, and ultimately, Hell). He knows that people will never in themselves measure up to His demand for righteousness, and He provides mercy and forgiveness for sins through faith in the atoning sacrifice of Jesus. We see more clearly than the people in the Old Testament could, because they looked forward to Messiah, but because we look back on Jesus, we know much more about His life, and we have His teaching and the teaching of His apostles. But none of that teaching undoes or contradicts the ethical teaching in the Old Testament.

There is still wisdom in fearing God today; fear of God was not just for Old Testament times. Those who don’t fear God today are lawless phoney believers, and it’s them who are doing so much damage in the church.

And here is how Jeff responded to Tending Weeds:

….in regard to the God of the Old and New Covenants, it is vital that we understand He has not changed and never will. It is the unchanging character and being of God that makes all Scripture, both Old and New Testaments, applicable to us today. It is the covenants that differ, not God. And yet the two covenants are not totally unrelated and separate. The New Covenant grows out of the Old, and the Old is always pointing to the New.

The Law of God remains unchanged in both covenants. It still has its holy demands and, apart from Christ, condemns the sinner. That is why we need Christ. He came and met perfectly the demands of the Law so that His perfect righteousness is assigned to all who trust and believe in Him. At the same time, our sins go to Him on the cross.

But the Old Testament Scriptures are nevertheless very valuable and applicable to us today. 2 Tim 3:16 for example says that “all Scripture” is God’s Word and profitable for us, and that Scripture being referred to is the Old Testament, as the New Testament had not yet been written. 1 Corinthians 10 points to the experience of the Israelites in the wilderness and says that those things happened for our instruction. And when Jesus was asked about marriage and divorce, He immediately went right back to Genesis to tell us what God’s original and abiding intent for marriage was and is.

[July 5, 2022: Editors’ notes:

—For some comments made prior to July 5, 2022 that quoted from the post, the text in the comment that was quoted from the post might no longer be an exact match.
—For some comments made prior to July 5, 2022 that quoted from the post, the text in the comment that was quoted from the post might no longer be found in the post.
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3 Comments

  1. Tending Weeds

    Painfully honest, methinks:
    My familiarity with the OT is limited. I honestly haven’t given it much consideration, outside of the popular chapters (Genesis, Psalms, Proverbs). I was raised in a Catholic home and I attended some Catholic school. Other than the occasional reading, mentions of plagues and droughts, I don’t remember much immersion in the teachings of the OT. It’s possible my mind wandered. Probable, probably. The OT was assigned reading in classes once I attended public school and University, then disemboweled as mythology. I spent a great deal of time in Psalms after I left my ex-husband. I read, took notes, and finished. I moved on.
    I’ve tended to focus on the NT personally for several reasons. I find it easier to read, with names much easier to pronounce. I haven’t understood it’s modern relevance, viewing Him as a different God, like He suddenly poofed in a cloud of smoke and became someone entire new the moment Christ died for our sins.
    Other than some fundamentals, such as God creating the world and the 10 Commandments, I didn’t read other lessons and histories. I regarded it as truth, but not fact.
    I’ve missed some things. The Bible has started 2/3 of the way through for me. I wouldn’t consider only understanding any other book by its final third.

  2. Whoohooo, TW, you have some enjoyable study before you! The OT is rich with narratives which illustrate the dynamics of sin, it has much ethical teaching both by injunction and by example, and it is wonderfully exciting to grasp the big picture of how God has worked through time since the beginning until now. Happy reading, my friend!

  3. Finding Answers

    I am so glad Tending Weeds’ comment was made into a separate post!

    In the past, I had read both the Old and New Testaments. I had heard both “preached” in “c”hurch.

    Having grown up in a semi-secular, patriarchal, authoritarian household, surrounded by an entire family of abusers, I – no surprise here – related more to God as “god-the-abuser” and “god-the-punisher”. A distant, vengeful God.

    The whole post tied up some loose ends, and I think this expresses it most succinctly:

    Pastor Jeff wrote:

    In regard to the God of the Old and New Covenants, it is vital that we understand He has not changed and never will. It is the unchanging character and being of God that makes all Scripture, both Old and New Testaments, applicable to us today. It is the covenants that differ, not God. And yet the two covenants are not totally unrelated and separate. The New Covenant grows out of the Old, and the Old is always pointing to the New.

    I guess I have changed….

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